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Starting Elimination Communication with an Older Baby

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Margo in Her Undies

Margo in her undies around 12 months old.

I had Margo at the playground, a few weeks back, teaching her slide etiquette.  When, all of a sudden, I hear this shout out from a little boy, ‘Mum, look!  A wee!‘.  He was right at the top of the monkey bars, about three years old, wee, dripping down his leg and pouring down into a puddle onto the ground.  It’s not the first playground wee accident I’ve witnessed, and it’s not like the little boy or the mom did anything wrong, it’s just the way that we have been taught to toilet train our kids: diapers until 2, and then starting toilet training ‘when they’re ready’.

Elimination Communication (EC) is about building a child’s awareness of their elimination needs, from a young age, it’s not all together ‘toilet training’, although, if you do it, even just part time, it will most certainly lend itself to earlier toilet independence.  Not everyone gets to hear about EC before their baby is born, and some have heard about it, but are too overwhelmed in the beginning with a new baby to give it a go.  A few friends of mine, with babies around 12 months, have told me they are interested in doing Elimiantion Communication, but thought their babies were too old to start!  While I’m not an expert in beginning EC with an older baby, since I did EC with my kids from birth, I do have an idea of what it would be like.

Let’s say here that an older baby is between 6-18 months (very roughly, as all babies are so very unique).  Babies younger than about 6 months can be started on EC in the tradition methods.  Babies between 6 and 18 months are getting more mobile and also getting better at communicating with cues, words, pointing, etc.  But, they are still very eager to please.  So, in fact, it is a great time to start EC with them!  A lot of parents meet some more psychological resistance surrounding potty training with children who are around 2.  It’s like, “Wait, you mean to say, all along, I’ve been doing my business in a diaper, and now you want me to go in a big scary toilet???”.

Often, a child shows signs of interest in the potty around 15 months, but parents are told that they are too young, so they won’t take them to the toilet.  But, here is where you need to listen to your baby.  If they want to go, TAKE THEM!!!

Margo always let me know when her dolls had to go to the potty.

Here are some tips for starting EC on an older baby:

They Need to See it To Believe it!

  • Give them lots of diaper free time.  Giving them diaper free time, not only allows them to be ‘free’ but also gives you a chance to watch them and see what they do before they’re going to ‘go’.  Choose a designated area, like the kitchen or outside in the garden (good fertilizer), where a mess won’t be a big deal. Most babies, especially those who wear disposables have no idea what it feels like when they go.  They can’t see it, they can barely feel that they’re wet because the diaper keeps them so dry.  Keep the potty nearby, if they go, just say, ‘Oh, you’ve gone wee, here next time, sit on the potty, this is where we go wee, etc’.  Babies understand way more than you think! Plus, imagine how annoying wearing a diaper would be ALL THE TIME, imagine if you always had to wear a maternity pad, it would certainly get uncomfortable.
  • Get them familiar with where the wee and poo comes out.  Talk to them about it.  Again, if they’re constantly in a diaper, they might actually not even know what goes on ‘down there’.
  • When they do a wee (a lot of babies will go right before they get in the tub, or as you stick their toes in the water), make a little ‘pssss’ sound and just tap lightly where the wee comes out.  This is usually the technique reserved for younger babies, but would also work on the older ones too, or if they can understand, just tell them with words.  The next time you sit them on the potty, you can make that cue sound, ‘pssss’.  Also, you can explain what just happened, then maybe show them the potty, or if they’re keen, sit them down on it for a second or two, say, ‘next, time you have to go, you can go here’.  Or, just tell them ‘pee’.  You know best how to communicate with your child!

Open Door Policy

  • Take your baby to the toilet with you, show them what you do.  What is especially helpful is if there is an older sibling who is being potty trained, or already potty trained!

Observation

  • Half of the time, it’s us, the parents, who don’t know when their baby is eliminating.  Watch for signs… Obvious signs are for the poos.  For example, when my daughter was nine months old, if she had to do a poo, and she was sitting in her high chair (food in food out.. obviously), she would lean back and make a funny face with a double chin and wouldn’t accept any food.  I would take her to the toilet, she would poo, and then, we were both eating again.  No biggie!

Equipment and Location

  • To a baby, a big toilet can seem scary!  You can buy a cheap plastic potty for under $10.
  • You don’t have to limit yourself to the potty!  Sinks, bushes, showers, the garden,,, all of the places are acceptable!
  • Choose a place that is quiet and comfy.  Don’t be afraid to put it next to their bed or even in the middle of the living room.  Even the bathroom floor and be scary for them, so choose a nice spot.  Next the change table is ideal.  I used to put our potty right on a table next to where I changed Margo, so I didn’t have to bend down.  You can keep a towel or waterproof mat under the potty too.
  • Buy some cheap reusable training plants, like padded undies.  They prevent a little mess, covers them up a bit and makes it easier to take on/off.  Plus would feel so good after always having to wear a thick, padded diaper.  In America, you can buy Gerber brand, size 2T and 3T, in Australia, Best and Less sells them in size 1 and 2.

Margo on her ‘table potty’. You have to watch them closely if they want to jump off, but it does save your back a bit.

It’s all about timing!

  • After a nap or sleep!  Just after waking (don’t wait too long, but don’t yank their clothes off right away), talking gently, just sit them on the little potty.  As a baby gets older, their bladders and bowels are able to hold for longer and you will find that they often wake up dry.  Try the little tapping in the spot where the wee comes out and make the ‘psss’ sound.  Or, if they’re old enough to understand, just talk to them about it.
  • When they look like their about to do a big poo (without panicking) quickly take them to the potty.  Ok, I know, it could be a bit messy, but very quickly, they will learn that you are going to take them. The #2s are sometimes the easier ones to catch.
  • Before you leave the house, just let them sit on the potty for a second or two, even if they don’t go after many attempts, once they get used to this potty idea they will just get into the habit.

Cloth Diapers (if you’re really not into letting them wear the training pants around the house)

  • Okay, I know, you’ve been using disposables all along, you don’t want to invest in cloth diapers and you have no idea what to do!  Well, you would only need a few, put them on the baby around the house, they will know RIGHT AWAY when they’ve gone.  If you buy the kind that are prefolds or terry cloth, you can use them later for rags.  There are numerous websites that sell modern cloth diapers (or MCN, modern cloth nappies in Australia).   Here, I did a bit of research, for friends in America, you can order prefolds here, http://www.greenmountaindiapers.com/diapers.htm or I think my mom said you can buy them in Target for cheap.  In Australia, you can buy cheap terry clothes from Big W.  You can also buy cheap one-size fits all ones off eBay, or if you want to go classey, just do a search for ‘cloth nappies’ or ‘cloth diapers’ depending on what you call them in your country and you will find multitudes of online shopping sites.

Embrace a Little Mess

  • I know, it all sounds a bit messy, but better to have a little one year old mess to clean up than a three-year old dump, if you get what I’m saying.  Better now than later 🙂

Trust in Your Instincts!

  • You know your baby better than anybody.  Trust that you understand when they need to ‘go’.  You will see that in a very short time, you will become in tune with their elimination needs.

Saves YOU Time!

  • When I used to tell people I was taking my baby to the potty, they had this image that I spent hours a day holding my baby’s bottom over a bucket just to see when they would go!  NOT TRUE!  When Margo was out of diapers at 12 months, I can’t imagine anything saving me more time!  Again, better to deal with it sooner than later!

Could Be Why They’re Waking at Night!

  • Babies (or anyone) won’t pee in a deep sleep.  It’s actually a reason why they often stir at night, is when they have to go.  A lot of nights when Margo was around 12-18 months, the only reason she would wake was because she had to go pee!  So, I had a potty next to the bed, as soon as I took her, she was back asleep.  Even if a baby uses a disposable diaper, they still may feel uncomfortable with a big wee in there!  You may want to try it once they get used to using a potty.

Keep a Potty in the Car

  • I still use our potty in the back of the car, and my older one is 3 1/2!  It just provides some continuety in the ECing when you’re out and about.
Car Potty

Back of the car, after the markets.

For more EC facts and info:

http://www.diaperfreebaby.org/

Remember, babies and young toddlers are much more willing to trying new things.  EC can be done anywhere, you don’t always have to take them to a ‘potty’, a bush, shower, etc are all available.  It is possibly less intimidating to start an older baby this way, but do as you like, you know your baby and practicing Elimination Communication will only strengthen the bond.

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Living on the Gold Coast of Australia with a toddler and a baby. Writing about my experiences with natural parenting, surfing, vegetarian living, elimination communication, breastfeeding natural remedies, yoga, meditation, Art of Living Foundation and life!

15 responses »

  1. Thanks Kate! Quick question … We have been doing EC with Joshie since he was born. We’ve been using cloth nappies. When do u suggest we switch to the training pants?

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  2. You can start him right away! You don’t have to ‘officially’ switch at any point. I used to have Margo in both, nappies for when maybe she was asleep or we were out, and then the training pants if we were home and just hanging out. They will give Joshi a break from nappies and give you an extra second or two to prevent a big mess. Do you guys have Best and Less? The smallest size they sell is size 1, he’ll be swimming in them, but I that’s alright, unless you want to make some of your own.
    Check out this website I just found on EC accessories. A hardcore EC friend of mine showed up to Margo’s 1st birthday party at the beach and her little boy (also 12 months) rocked up wearing these crotchless pants with his doodle hanging out, I was cracking up, but what a fantastic idea 🙂
    http://www.ecwear.com/

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  3. This is very educational! Thanks! I have a 3.5 year old boy toddler and he’s mighty curious about the toilet but at the same time, scared. Obviously, not potty trained yet. I have hope with my 8-month old! 🙂

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    • Oops, sorry, just saw this comment now! There is plenty of hope for the 8 month old, what a perfect age to start! Maybe the older brother will get even more interested if he sees his little sibling using the potty 😉

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  4. This is just what I needed to read!! I have seen some new behavior with my son for the last month or so (he is nearly 13 months) with him being dry for longer peiods, and wanting to be alone when pooping, etc. I know he could go in the potty but like you say, I’ve read it’s “too early”, and he’s “too young”, but I know otherwise. I didn’t know what to do, though, so thanks for this post – most helpful!! I only wonder one thing. We have carpet in every stinkin’ room in our house except the kitchen. What would you do if you were me? He uses cloth diapers, so he is used to some dampness (of course I change him often). Sorry, one other question…with a little boy would I teach him to stand with EC to pee or should I have him sit? Thanks!

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    • Like I said in the blog, it is so common for a child that age to start building their own awareness about elimination! Go for it! He is at a perfect age. At 13 months, he’s curious, and most likely more eager to please and less stuck in his ways than, say a 2 year old! Well… since I have only girls to compare, I don’t know the ins and outs of boy EC… but, from what I’ve seen from my friend who did it (and she was a die hard ECer, her little boy was always standing up. When I observed him, he was about 12 months. But, see how you go… if you have carpet everywhere, maybe would want to have him sit down! Haha, I did have two little brothers, so I remember what it was like.

      As for the carpet, maybe what you could do is get a cheap table cloth, it’s really big and water proof, then you can put the potty and whatever else on it and let him play around, diaper free and help him go when he needs to. Also, if you want to leave the cloth diaper on him and just put a pair of leg warmers on, that way if he’s running around and you have a suspicion that he has to go, you can whip the diaper off faster than if he had pants on. The whole snappy baby clothes thing is not so EC user friendly, as it usually takes a long time to get their clothes off. Plus, the indignation of laying them down to take their clothes off, etc. Hope those tips help! Let me know how it goes!

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  5. Reblogged this on Atlantamomofthree and commented:
    Such the push I needed, with great info and personal experiences!

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  6. Great article! Been putting DS on toilet at 11 months when his morning poop was regular! We use Green Mountain diapers and they are the best! He pees on the potty, but am working on getting him to tell me (or sign) so I’m not just ‘guessing’. He is now 14 months and looking to get more serious about EC.

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  7. Thanks so much for your comments on my post earlier. Your post is very insightful and full of great info. I was just amazed that this was all out there when I had read about it in the NYTimes! I am as yet a non-parent, so you can see how I would not necessarily have had any clue what folks with little ones were up to. So intelligent….!

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